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Emiel's avatar

Thanks for the great article, Leandro!

Couple of questions:

1) What data source do you use for the financial data and could it be that the numbers you are using are shifted with 1 year? Meaning that the numbers from 2024 are actually the numbers of 2023? I use Finchat data and these do not seem to match.

2) When you mention Cash Flow from Operations excluding Working Capital, do you mean Cash Flow from Operations excluding changes in Working Capital?

3) For calculating the last 10 years Total invested (assuming the last available year of data is 2024), do you sum the total invested capital from 2014 until 2023 and thus excluding the invested capital in 2024?

4) Using the logic I described above, I seem to get Adjusted CoC Returns in the ranges of 22% (10Y), 20% (5Y) and 9.5% (3Y) which look a bit less optimistic..

hussam Lawen's avatar

Interesting, I like the concept of Reverse CROIIC, few notes:

1. Micheal Mauboussin'a version of NOPAT (EBITA - Cash Taxes) maybe is a better measure of cash available to the firm before any growth reinvestments are maid, note that it's EBITA and not EBITDA, we don't add back the depreciation (as it's a proxy to maintenance capex, and adding it back can inflate the CFO), and this also doesn't include working capital so no need to exclude it.

2. About the WC part of invested capital: Do you calculate the net change in working capital ? meaning do you exclude the cash and non-interest bearing debt? and generally i find WC for some companies to be very volatile number (like fintech companies) and sometimes i don't include it in the calculation of the invested capital to smooth

3. Net capex: do you remove depreciation from capex? meaning net capex = capex - depreciation?

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